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Joe Cooper
2017-04-04 14:57:15 UTC
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The media’s biased coverage of Obamagate continues to shift. First,
reporters feigned outrage that Trump would dare to say that the saintly
Barack Obama had spied on him. Never mind that Trump’s assertion sparked
off their own reporting — reports clearly based on criminal leaks from
Obama aides spying on Trump. But now reporters are pursuing a new line of
attack against Trump, which can be translated as: Yes, Obama spied on you
— and good for him. Take a look at this headline from a column at Slate
magazine hastily run after the revelation that top Obama aide Susan Rice
had snooped on Trump and his associates: “I Hope Susan Rice Was Keeping
Tabs on Trump’s Russia Ties.”

Look how far the progressive champions of “civil liberties” have fallen.
These are the same liberals who call Nixon a monster for having justified
political espionage on specious national security grounds. Could anyone
imagine Slate running a column lauding Richard Nixon for spying on Daniel
Ellsberg?

How did we find out about Susan Rice’s role in Obamagate? Not from the
mainstream media at first, but from a pro-Trump blogger named Mike
Cernovich, who says he found out about the Rice story from a disgruntled
staffer at a publication unwilling to publish it. In other words, he
pulled a Matt Drudge. On Sunday night, Cernovich wrote that he had “been
informed that Maggie Haberman has had this story about Susan Rice for at
least 48 hours, and has chosen to sit on it in an effort to protect the
reputation of former President Barack Obama.”

Haberman works at the New York Times. Now that the story is out, what is
Haberman tweeting and re-tweeting? One links to a Max Boot tweet, which
says, “Are Trump aides breaking the law by rooting around in intel
database for political purposes?” Another links to a “meaty explainer”
saying that Rice’s spying on Trump was justified.

The partisan gall of the media is impossible to overstate here. After
Trump’s tweets, reporters hectored him for having “no proof” of spying
and demanded that he furnish them with it. Now that he and Devin Nunes
give them proof, they suddenly don’t want it — and accuse them of
political espionage.

Susan Rice, by the way, knew this story was coming. Two days ago, she re-
tweeted a comment by former Hillary Clinton aide Jennifer Palmieri that
said: “Here’s what’s happening. Trump NSC staff cherry picks intel which
appears to back up Trump and leaks it to Fox so Trump can retweet it.”

Asked about Nunes’s claim of unmasked information in March, Rice said
that she knew “nothing” about it, but added that unmasking is “legal.” So
she was already preparing her defense. But the scandal doesn’t stop with
her. She was serving, as she did after Benghazi, as an errand girl, doing
the bidding of Obama and John Brennan, among others. The key detail in
Adam Housley’s Fox News segment was that the intelligence Rice requested
went to top Obama aides: “The unmasked names, of people associated with
Donald Trump, were then sent to all those at the National Security
Council, some at the Defense Department, then-Director of National
Intelligence James Clapper and then-CIA Director John Brennan –
essentially, the officials at the top, including former Rice deputy Ben
Rhodes.”

It is slowly dawning on some in the media, including David Ignatius, the
Washington Post reporter who served as a stenographer for leaking Obama
embeds, that this story is moving in Trump’s direction. Ignatius had to
make this point gingerly, lest he incur the wrath of his liberal
confreres, but he made it nonetheless on Face the Nation:

So under existing surveillance orders, the United States is listening to
all kinds of diplomats, intelligence officials around the world under
various authorities. And when that collection picks up incidentally the
names of Americans, Joe Russia happens to be calling Joe America, Joe
America’s name is typically minimized. It’s — it’s masked so that that
person’s privacy is — is protected. In — in certain circumstances when
it’s necessary to understand who the conversation is — was between, the
name is unmasked and then if — if there’s a — a legal investigation
beyond that, there — there — there are even more reasons.

What’s happened this month is that what initially seemed a preposterous
argument by Donald Trump, that he had been wiretapped by President Obama
illegally, has morphed into an argument about privacy, about proper
masking techniques, a very technical, legal issue, and is now accepted, I
think, as part of the mainstream set of issues that are going to be
debated by the two intelligence committees. And from — from Trump’s
standpoint, that’s, I think you’d have to say, that’s a success. It may
be a pyrrhic victory for Nunes, whose — whose credibility, the ability to
lead the committee, is radically compromised, but that’s now in the
center stage.

[/Face the Nation]

Eli Lake, the columnist for Bloomberg who reported on the Rice revelation
(Cernovich says that Bloomberg also sat on the story until he broke it),
said to the displeasure of the comically biased Katy Tur, “This is
troubling what happened here.” That is not what Tur wanted to hear. She
quickly tried to change the subject and later made the preposterous
argument that the focus on Susan Rice helps Russia.

In other words, no one is supposed to notice that one government did
interfere in the U.S. election — ours. For months and months, the Obama
administration was spying on Trump and leaking hints of its investigation
to the press in the hopes of helping Hillary, who, by the way, colluded
in the effort. Yet even the ruthless partisan Adam Schiff can’t
“definitively” cite a single proof of collusion on Trump’s part, as he
reluctantly acknowledged on Sunday. Given all the spying and leaking on
Trump, wouldn’t we know by now if they had any evidence of collusion?

To say that Trump in this matter is more sinned against than sinning is
an understatement. He was the blatant victim of political espionage and
criminal leaking by the Obama administration, then when he complained
about it, he was smeared anew. Two questions have swirled around this
story: Did the Obama administration spy on Trump? Did Trump collude with
the Russians? The answers are yes and no. The media wanted the answers to
be no and yes. So now their game is to pretend like they didn’t ask the
questions or that the “real story” is Trump’s imprecise tweeting. Notice
that almost every story on the Rice revelation begins with throat-
clearing about how it doesn’t “vindicate Trump’s tweet,” as if grading
him on a tweet, in which he was clearly using wire-tapping as a synonym
for spying and investigating, is the most pressing concern here.

Notice also that liberal reporters, who used to quote Michael Kinsley’s
dictum that the scandal is “what’s legal” in Washington, rush to defend
the legality of Rice’s unmasking, as if that should end all discussion.

At the Atlantic, David Graham asks, “Did Susan Rice Do Anything Wrong By
Asking to ‘Unmask’ Trump Officials?” Graham informs us that “many
experts” say that Rice’s behavior “does not imply anything improper or
unusual.” Right. What could possibly be unusual or improper about spying
on a political opponent? To paraphrase Richard Nixon, if a liberal
president conducts espionage, it can’t be wrong.

It isn’t until the end of the piece that the apologetics of Graham begin
to waver, and even there his concession is grudging: “A spokesman for
Representative Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House
Intelligence Committee, said Schiff had no immediate comment. The
political winds may be shifting on this story, or at least blowing in a
slightly more favorable direction for the White House.”

Obama once ludicrously said that his administration had no scandals — a
phony claim that the media pooh-poohing the Rice revelation is jealously
trying to preserve. But no matter how hard they try to avoid it,
reporters will have to reckon with Obamagate and the perversely rich
irony of ACLU-style liberals like Rice and Brennan becoming exactly what
they once opposed.

Source: http://bit.ly/2o5N6Eb
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Rudy Canoza
2017-04-04 15:02:55 UTC
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The media’s biased coverage of Obamagate continues to shift. First,
reporters feigned outrage that Trump would dare to say that the saintly
Barack Obama had spied on him. Never mind that Trump’s assertion sparked
off their own reporting — reports clearly based on criminal leaks from
Obama aides spying on Trump.
Every word of that is a lie. There is no "Obamagate". No one ever
described Obama as "saintly". There is no evidence - literally none -
that the Obama administration "spied" on Trump.

Fake news, 100% of it.
jane.playne
2017-04-04 16:44:13 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
The media’s biased coverage of Obamagate continues to shift. First,
reporters feigned outrage that Trump would dare to say that the saintly
Barack Obama had spied on him. Never mind that Trump’s assertion sparked
off their own reporting — reports clearly based on criminal leaks from
Obama aides spying on Trump.
Every word of that is a lie. There is no "Obamagate". No one ever
described Obama as "saintly". There is no evidence - literally none -
that the Obama administration "spied" on Trump.
Fake news, 100% of it.
.

What do we know for "absolute" fact?

We know that the media is reporting that the Trump campaign had
communications with Russian officials. I did a google search of:

Trump campaign communications with Russia

I got 7.2 MILLION hits!

SO, one of two other things is fact: 1. the 7.2 million hits are FAKE
news, or 2. A federal crime, a violation of the US Constitution, has
been committed.

The NSA is allowed to wire tap foreign adversaries ... which does not
directly target US citizens.

IF a US citizen pops up, the name of that US citizen MUST be masked and
identifies only as "U.S Person". If multiple US citizens are
identified, then they are identified as "US Person #1" ... "US Person
#2". A "US Person" is a broad term that can be a person a corporation,
a ship an airplane ...

There are ONLY TWO conditions where the unmasking is allowed: there is a
"valid need to know" in their "official capacity" and "is the
identification necessary to truly understand the intelligence value the
report is designed to generate?"

There are only 20 individuals within the NSA who have the authority to
release unmasked communications.

This is explained at time 36:00 - 48:05


#BeamMeUpScotty
2017-04-04 17:27:19 UTC
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Post by jane.playne
Post by Rudy Canoza
The media’s biased coverage of Obamagate continues to shift. First,
reporters feigned outrage that Trump would dare to say that the saintly
Barack Obama had spied on him. Never mind that Trump’s assertion sparked
off their own reporting — reports clearly based on criminal leaks from
Obama aides spying on Trump.
Every word of that is a lie. There is no "Obamagate". No one ever
described Obama as "saintly". There is no evidence - literally none -
that the Obama administration "spied" on Trump.
Fake news, 100% of it.
.
What do we know for "absolute" fact?
We know that the media is reporting that the Trump campaign had
Trump campaign communications with Russia
I got 7.2 MILLION hits!
SO, one of two other things is fact: 1. the 7.2 million hits are FAKE
news, or 2. A federal crime, a violation of the US Constitution, has
been committed.
First, it was google, they manipulate results from searches so they are
likely to send you to fake news that's pro-Liberal.

Second, is that because the news calls it a crime doesn't make it a
crime, talking to Russians isn't a crime.

Hillary and Schumer and Pelosi also talked to Russians, using your facts
they are all guilty of the crime of violating the U.S. Constitution and
each needs to be investigated.
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jane.playne
2017-04-04 17:40:04 UTC
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Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
Post by jane.playne
Post by Rudy Canoza
The media’s biased coverage of Obamagate continues to shift. First,
reporters feigned outrage that Trump would dare to say that the saintly
Barack Obama had spied on him. Never mind that Trump’s assertion sparked
off their own reporting — reports clearly based on criminal leaks from
Obama aides spying on Trump.
Every word of that is a lie. There is no "Obamagate". No one ever
described Obama as "saintly". There is no evidence - literally none -
that the Obama administration "spied" on Trump.
Fake news, 100% of it.
.
What do we know for "absolute" fact?
We know that the media is reporting that the Trump campaign had
Trump campaign communications with Russia
I got 7.2 MILLION hits!
SO, one of two other things is fact: 1. the 7.2 million hits are FAKE
news, or 2. A federal crime, a violation of the US Constitution, has
been committed.
First, it was google, they manipulate results from searches so they are
likely to send you to fake news that's pro-Liberal.
Second, is that because the news calls it a crime doesn't make it a
crime, talking to Russians isn't a crime.
Hillary and Schumer and Pelosi also talked to Russians, using your facts
they are all guilty of the crime of violating the U.S. Constitution and
each needs to be investigated.
.

I obviously did not make myself clear.

The crime was not talking to Russians; the crime was committed by a
member of OUR government, the Obama administration, by releasing the
specifics of who "US person" is.

A member of the Obama administration just shit all over our US
Constitution and that criminal MUST be exposed and prosecuted. Our
Founding Fathers believed that our government MUST be held in check.
#BeamMeUpScotty
2017-04-04 19:50:53 UTC
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Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
Post by jane.playne
Post by Rudy Canoza
The media’s biased coverage of Obamagate continues to shift. First,
reporters feigned outrage that Trump would dare to say that the saintly
Barack Obama had spied on him. Never mind that Trump’s assertion sparked
off their own reporting — reports clearly based on criminal leaks from
Obama aides spying on Trump.
Every word of that is a lie. There is no "Obamagate". No one ever
described Obama as "saintly". There is no evidence - literally none -
that the Obama administration "spied" on Trump.
Fake news, 100% of it.
.
What do we know for "absolute" fact?
We know that the media is reporting that the Trump campaign had
Trump campaign communications with Russia
I got 7.2 MILLION hits!
SO, one of two other things is fact: 1. the 7.2 million hits are FAKE
news, or 2. A federal crime, a violation of the US Constitution, has
been committed.
First, it was google, they manipulate results from searches so they are
likely to send you to fake news that's pro-Liberal.
Second, is that because the news calls it a crime doesn't make it a
crime, talking to Russians isn't a crime.
Hillary and Schumer and Pelosi also talked to Russians, using your facts
they are all guilty of the crime of violating the U.S. Constitution and
each needs to be investigated.
.
I obviously did not make myself clear.
The crime was not talking to Russians; the crime was committed by a
member of OUR government, the Obama administration, by releasing the
specifics of who "US person" is.
Aaaahhhhh I agree....
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Siri Cruise
2017-04-04 18:42:26 UTC
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Post by jane.playne
What do we know for "absolute" fact?
Opposite what Drumpf says. That's a strong indicator based on a year of his
performances.
Post by jane.playne
SO, one of two other things is fact: 1. the 7.2 million hits are FAKE
news, or 2. A federal crime, a violation of the US Constitution, has
been committed.
Or a few idiots strayed too close to the line to be politically acceptable even
if they stayed on the right side of the line.
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Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.
jane.playne
2017-04-04 19:34:24 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by jane.playne
What do we know for "absolute" fact?
Opposite what Drumpf says. That's a strong indicator based on a year of his
performances.
Post by jane.playne
SO, one of two other things is fact: 1. the 7.2 million hits are FAKE
news, or 2. A federal crime, a violation of the US Constitution, has
been committed.
Or a few idiots strayed too close to the line to be politically acceptable even
if they stayed on the right side of the line.
.

You dishonestly snipped the part of my post that proves you WRONG.
Siri Cruise
2017-04-04 20:27:24 UTC
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Post by jane.playne
You dishonestly snipped the part of my post that proves you WRONG.
Drumpf lies. He makes his staff lie. Nothing coming out of the White House can
be trusted.
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.
jane.playne
2017-04-04 20:58:11 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by jane.playne
You dishonestly snipped the part of my post that proves you WRONG.
Drumpf lies. He makes his staff lie. Nothing coming out of the White House can
be trusted.
.

I wasn't writing about ANYTHING that Trump stated OR ANYTHING that his
staff stated.

The Obama administration *legally* wiretapped the Russians. Contained
within that wiretap was an incidental recording of a US Citizen who is
masked as "US Person".

You stated, "... a few idiots strayed ..."

Maybe it was a "few idiots" or maybe it was only one idiot. HOWEVER, the
news media is publishing, over 7.5 million hits on google, the released
identity of the "US Person", classified data in a classified wiretap.

Those "few idiots" or "idiot" should be identified, tried in a federal
court for breaking Constitutional law, and sent to prison.

The only way to keep our own government from turning into a US version
of the KGB is to prosecute and imprison the violators.
Siri Cruise
2017-04-04 22:11:45 UTC
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Post by jane.playne
Those "few idiots" or "idiot" should be identified, tried in a federal
court for breaking Constitutional law, and sent to prison.
The only way to keep our own government from turning into a US version
of the KGB is to prosecute and imprison the violators.
Been there, watch that, got the War is a Terrible Thing teeshirt.

The Plumbers didn't save Nixon. Don't expect them to save Drumpf.
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.
#BeamMeUpScotty
2017-04-04 16:19:37 UTC
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The media’s biased coverage of Obamagate continues to shift. First,
reporters feigned outrage that Trump would dare to say that the saintly
Barack Obama had spied on him. Never mind that Trump’s assertion sparked
off their own reporting — reports clearly based on criminal leaks from
Obama aides spying on Trump. But now reporters are pursuing a new line of
attack against Trump, which can be translated as: Yes, Obama spied on you
— and good for him. Take a look at this headline from a column at Slate
magazine hastily run after the revelation that top Obama aide Susan Rice
had snooped on Trump and his associates: “I Hope Susan Rice Was Keeping
Tabs on Trump’s Russia Ties.”
Look how far the progressive champions of “civil liberties” have fallen.
These are the same liberals who call Nixon a monster for having justified
political espionage on specious national security grounds. Could anyone
imagine Slate running a column lauding Richard Nixon for spying on Daniel
Ellsberg?
Only if it now makes Obama look good.... otherwise Nixon is an evil
Republican.
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That's Karma
PIBB
2017-04-04 19:44:33 UTC
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Post by Joe Cooper
The media’s biased coverage of Obamagate continues to shift.
First, reporters feigned outrage that Trump would dare to say
that the saintly Barack Obama had spied on him. Never mind that
Trump’s assertion sparked off their own reporting — reports
clearly based on criminal leaks from Obama aides spying on
Trump. But now reporters are pursuing a new line of attack
against Trump, which can be translated as: Yes, Obama spied on
you — and good for him. Take a look at this headline from a
column at Slate magazine hastily run after the revelation that
top Obama aide Susan Rice had snooped on Trump and his
associates: “I Hope Susan Rice Was Keeping Tabs on Trump’s
Russia Ties.”
...........
Attempts to control and dictate what the independent media writes are
doomed to failure. Perhaps such measures work in countries Trump
admires, such as Putin's Russia, but they don't work with a free
press in the U.S.

Quit your moaning whenever other people disagree. If you don't like
it then don't read it. but dont try to change their reports of the
facts.
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